Grizzle sat down for an unique interview with Kim Rivers, the CEO of hashish market chief Trulieve.

Kim confirms if latest rumors of gross sales spikes throughout North America are true and takes us by means of how Trulieve is adapting in a COVID-19 world.

Full of distinctive insights on the corporate and the hashish market you gained’t discover anyplace else.

Scott:     Alright, welcome again to Grizzle. I’m actually pumped about this video as a result of now we have a particular visitor with us in the present day and it’s none aside from Kim Rivers of Trulieve. Kim, thanks for being with us.

Kim Rivers: Thanks a lot for having me. Appreciate it.

Scott:     So, for these of you who don’t know, Trulieve, actually shortly. They’re the biggest grower and vendor of hashish in Florida. And then they’re additionally high 4. If you have a look at the whole United States primarily based on income, they’re one in every of our favourite shares for various causes. But that’s not why we’re right here in the present day. There’s a pandemic occurring. It is altering our lives in many alternative methods. So we wished to carry Kim on to sort of speak by means of what she has seen on the bottom and among the ways in which Trulieve is having to pivot to deal with what’s occurring in a COVID-19 world. So, Kim, I see you’re most likely in your quarantine bunker proper now as we’re as properly.

Kim Rivers:   Yes, I’m.

Scott:  Ok. So simply perhaps to assist our viewers out to begin. Could you’re taking us by means of what’s occurring in the states the place you use? I imply are you open for enterprise? Is it supply solely retail outlets? Just actually shortly, sort of successful on the totally different states. What’s occurring?

Kim Rivers:  Sure, after all. And in all the markets that we’re at the moment working in, we service medical sufferers. And in California, we even have — a portion of our enterprise is leisure. And then Massachusetts, we’re constructing out. And that’s most likely the place we’re essentially the most impacted at the moment. And simply because we’re mid development and issues in Massachusetts have sort of come to a halt, our momentary pause, as we are saying in the development enviornment. And then additionally the CCC, which is a regulating physique for Massachusetts, has put a maintain on any extra inspections. And additionally for folk which can be up and operational in Massachusetts, solely medical has been in a position to keep open for enterprise and say leisure companies in Massachusetts at the moment are shut down, sadly. And in Connecticut, now we have a really sturdy medical dispensary that’s persevering with to function. And once more, California dispensary is continuous to function in Florida. We are medical and now we have been deemed important. And so all and all of our 45 dispensaries in Florida proceed to function, after all, with important shifts in the way in which that we do enterprise. And so since Florida is our main state, it’s our dwelling state. And that’s definitely the place now we have essentially the most exercise and we will sort of focus there. It has been actually fascinating as a result of whereas the federal government has allowed us to stay open for enterprise in Florida, the purchasers are actually shifting their conduct, which is smart as a result of I feel you and I and the world has been shifting our behaviors.

Kim Rivers:    And so with a keep at dwelling order issued by the governor a few weeks in the past, what we’ve seen is we’ve seen a dramatic shift to select up. Pick up solely actually for lots of shoppers after which, after all, a rise in our ramp and our supply platform. And so simply as a reminder, Trulieve has delivered throughout the state since our first retailer opened various years in the past. However, lately that variety of deliveries has elevated dramatically, we’re truly up about 500 % in our deliveries. We now have roughly 200 automobiles which can be on the street day in, time out. When COVID hit, we instantly provided free supply to our senior sufferers to attempt to encourage them to benefit from supply. So that’s a giant phase of the market and the will increase that we’re seeing. In addition, on pickups beforehand, that was a really quick rising — that was a quick rising phase of our enterprise. However, it has grown once more means over 100 % in pick-ups. And truly that pickup platform now represents about 65 % of our transactions and OF our enterprise. And so the place beforehand we had been actually primarily, I might say a stroll in retailer. That has flipped utterly.

Kim Rivers:   So, we’re primarily a pickup slash supply retailer now with a stroll in representing, I might say 20, 25 % of our enterprise at this level in time. So it’s simply been an entire pivot for us in phrases of how we do enterprise, how we’re speaking with prospects and the way we’re getting them the medication that they want in our, you understand, from our shops or by means of our supply platform.

Scott:         Yes. It seems like an enormous shift in a brief period of time, proper?

Kim Rivers:     Yes. Yes. That’s proper. And what’s been — I feel what’s been actually fascinating to me is simply how the group has labored in a short time to optimize and construct upon infrastructure that we had beforehand — you understand, that’s beforehand present. So a few different fascinating stats. Our name middle quantity instantly elevated from about 20,000 calls per week to about sixty 5 thousand (65,000) calls per week. And I feel that it is smart, proper, as a result of we’re asking customers to behave otherwise. Right. They’re having to undergo a special course of to do enterprise with us. In addition, you understand, of us are at dwelling. And so now we have time. And, you understand, of us are anxious. They wish to join with somebody. They wish to perceive, if I’m ordering supply for the primary time, how lengthy is that going to take? You know, when is my supply going to be there? If I’ve questions on security protocols and so forth. So, you understand, we noticed an enormous shift there. We instantly got here in and applied some know-how to reply this most frequent query. So we added a standing tab the place of us can truly observe how their order is transferring by means of the method and we additionally added some extra queuing and extra communication the place we’re truly speaking extra commonly with our sufferers all through the order course of. And these calls have now come again down. But, you understand, actually, once more, the group leaping in and all palms on deck and actually ensuring that we don’t miss a beat and that our prospects are in a position to get their merchandise has been actually, actually spectacular to observe.

Scott:      Interesting. You know additionally from a know-how perspective, we cowl tech fairly carefully. So out right here, what everybody at Silicon Valley is saying, they appear to be–, regardless that it is a not a constructive state of affairs we’re in, they appear to be cautiously optimistic that this shift to everybody being at dwelling has pushed a few of these tech companies ahead in months, perhaps years. So simply engaged on the know-how entrance. Are there adjustments you’ve made or that you just assume you could make that perhaps it’s a brand new regular? Like there’s other ways you’re doing enterprise and why not return to the way in which it was?

Kim Rivers:   Yeah, no, completely. I might say that once more, these pushes from us to our prospects with respect to the place their order is, after they can anticipate their order. We’ve additionally applied, you understand, what we’ve used for fairly a while. It’s known as Wheatly. It’s an app that our shops use to maintain of us locations in line. Now, we’re truly using that in a extra optimum method to let of us know. So, for instance, you understand, I don’t know in the event you’ve ever used like a CBS or a check-in state of affairs the place you may verify in from dwelling and you’ve got a greater visibility. Right? In phrases of when your time goes to be up in line. And so we’re implementing these applied sciences. We’re additionally, you understand, actually leaning on our supply platform to optimize routing. And once more, have the ability to get extra efficiencies out of our supply fleet. But I feel that from a know-how standpoint, sort of the most important Aha’s, I feel we’ve had a technology in the US who wasn’t indoctrinated into know-how.

You know, not like the remainder of us proper? I do know I’ve acquired children at dwelling who, you understand, they’re on Zoom conferences with their lecturers. And that’s only a regular a part of life. And it’s no massive deal. But we’ve acquired an age demographic, you understand, that the traits are slightly bit older who’ve perhaps averted know-how up till this level. And I feel that the most important shift I feel that we’ve seen is that that demographic now’s being compelled to adapt know-how. They’re embracing it. And I feel that we’ll have in know-how corporations definitely, we may have a bigger viewers submit COVID than they did beforehand. And so I feel {that a} query nonetheless stays with respect as to if or not supply goes to essentially be adopted on the charge that we’re seeing now. I feel primarily in hashish, as a result of there nonetheless is the requirement that you just’re current, you’re signing in your supply. Right? That is smart now as a result of we’re all at dwelling and you understand, we’re there. I’m unsure.

Post COVID, relying on how workforce macro eventualities change or not, you understand, how sticky that that half is. I feel that we are going to definitely see an uptick from the place it was pre. And I positively assume that, you understand, once more, the pickup situation, extra on-line order forward sort eventualities. It just isn’t just for Cannabis, however I feel for a lot of industries, will seemingly stay.

Scott:     So, are you able to simply give some background — supply has spiked for you now. But what sort of proportion of orders had been supply earlier than this, would you say?

Kim Rivers:  Pretty low. So actually, I imply, and it is smart while you sort of take into consideration our mannequin. So we might, you understand, every time we might have an space that had excessive supply statistics, that might be an indicator that we would have liked to place a retailer there. So we might put a retailer there after which supply would come down in that space. Right? And so — So it went from, you understand, means underneath 10 %, perhaps 5 %, 6 % sort of at yr finish. Now it’s approaching 20 % and rising. We give per week. And so, you understand, which remains to be a good portion of our enterprise. And I feel that, once more, as we optimize supply an increasing number of, I had talked in the previous about actually making an attempt to get to that very same day supply mannequin.

You know, we’re not at similar day proper now as supply has grown 500 %. But we’re subsequent day. And in plenty of, you understand, I might say the overwhelming majority of orders. And so making an attempt to proceed to optimize getting to a degree the place, you understand, we’re extra just like name it a grocery supply and fewer so, you understand, the cable man is the aim. Right? And so, you understand, you may order in the morning. And hopefully by that afternoon if wanted. Right? You have product accessible. And additionally the place you’re in a position to schedule your time. So that’s extra know-how that we’re engaged on, the place you may truly schedule your supply time in a extra exact timeframe and you are able to do that remotely. And once more, including that this know-how layer in order that the client may be extra in management of their expertise.

Scott:   Seems prefer it could possibly be highly effective. If you do the identical day, then it’s the place they may have made a purchase order and so they’re not as a result of they needed to wait an additional day. Now it’s simply the identical possibility for them. So perhaps there’s extra purchases that occur that means.

Kim Rivers: Yeah, that’s definitely a principle, proper, that we’re enthusiastic about. And being in a place to have the ability to take a look at.

Scott:  So as we’re speaking about gross sales, you understand, I’ve heard publicly folks I talked to on Twitter, folks in the business, that there was a gross sales surge throughout North America. Just questioning, you understand, in the event you have a look at just like the final two weeks of March thus far in April. Are you seeing gross sales traits you’d say are totally different than you usually see this time of yr?

Kim Rivers: Yes. I imply, this week, after all, goes into 4 twenty (4/20). So this week we at all times have very robust gross sales. I might say in normal, most likely throughout the business. And, you understand, though that’s slightly totally different, we needed to definitely alter the way in which that we’re celebrating 4/20 this yr versus what we had deliberate. You know, there’s not going to be celebrations and meals vans and concert events and people varieties of issues. And in order that’s been an fascinating shift. But, yeah, I can let you know that, you understand, we checked out — so there was a spike for us. And actually in Florida, notably, we analogize it to pre-hurricane sort of shopping for patterns. It’s actually — it feels pretty comparable. So there have been two cases in Florida the place, you understand, keep at dwelling orders had been issued, yet one more on the native degree and yet one more on the state degree. And previous to and main as much as these orders, we definitely noticed a spike in gross sales. And the week of March 13th, I’ve acquired a knowledge for you right here. Week of March 13th, we noticed demand elevated by 17 % in oil and thirty seven % in flour. So important, important will increase. And it’s normalized now. So what we haven’t seen is we haven’t seen it sort of go off a cliff, as has been reported in a few of our extra leisure markets. And now we have seen it return to sort of that generalized pattern that we had been seeing. Call it pre-COVID. And so nonetheless growing. But then two areas of spikes that once more tracked that the keep at dwelling, the keep at dwelling orders being issued.

Scott:  It feels to me like simply as this business matures, it has comparable demand patterns to love alcohol or beer. Is that sort of your feeling right here?

Kim Rivers:  Yeah, I imply, I feel that. Right? I feel that definitely in instances of stress, there are occasions of concern {that a} regular sample can be interrupted. I feel that it definitely is, you understand, is an business and it’s a product that people, you understand, wish to have accessible to them. And, you understand, I feel the priority over the lack to get. Right? And once more, I analogize it to hurricane shopping for, which I feel holds true, fairly frankly, with pointless medicine in addition to alcohol. So I suppose that, you understand, it kind of falls into that spectrum. And so I might truly argue that perhaps it has extra of an influence, since you do have a sure group of people who’ve, you understand, important medical wants and issues that in the event that they’re not in a position to have entry to, you understand, to medicine that they want, that clearly has — can have dramatic penalties for them. And then, after all, coupled with the truth that, you understand, yeah, in the event you’re caught and also you’re at dwelling and, you understand, you’re dealing with a heightened degree of hysteria or heightened degree of stress that, you understand, in normal, after all, you understand, hashish generally is a good a very good counter to that.

Scott:   So it’s a very good level on the medical entrance, for positive. I’m questioning, are you seeing any combine shift in the merchandise that individuals need? Is there much less flour being bought or is it sort of just like what it was prior?

Kim Rivers:   For us, it’s been the alternative. So I do know that I’ve seen that and heard that pattern in different markets. And I’m unsure if, once more, as a reminder, in Florida, we don’t have edibles accessible but. And so whereas I feel in another markets it’s been stated that, you understand, flour has been you understand, edibles have been perhaps substituting out for extra flour. In Florida, we’re definitely I imply, the flour demand is extremely robust. That similar week that I simply talked about, you understand, we had 62 % of the market in flour. And once more, there was a 37 % enhance in flour purchases. [00:14:51] So I feel that and maybe I imply, we’ve hypothesized that perhaps the truth that, as we all know, flour has a little bit of a special shelf life, perhaps a special consumption profile than oil the place, you understand, oil merchandise you should buy.

And then they do are likely to final. And definitely can final for a very good a very good whereas. So relying on the way you’re storing your flour, relying on varieties of our merchandise that you just’re shopping for and we definitely see in that flour phase, historically these prospects have a tendency to return again in extra steadily. So these are our extra frequent perhaps, you understand, much less on a per ticket, however a extra frequent purchaser. And so, you understand, that could possibly be a little bit of what we’re seeing with respect to, once more, simply the continued enhance in flour. We simply haven’t in Florida but hit what I’ll name the highest of that flour market but. Right? And wheat flour got here on board in March and it’s been steadily growing from a requirement perspective. And we simply haven’t seen it the place it’s peaked out after which sort of settled again down or normalized but. So that pattern is continuous.

Scott:    You guys have robust progress in sufferers and the whole lot. So that’s nonetheless enjoying out in Florida, proper?

Kim Rivers:  That’s proper. So it’s a dynamic combine, proper? We don’t have a stagnant buyer base in Florida. We’re nonetheless including, you understand, roughly twenty 5 hundred, I feel final week was twenty 600 sufferers per week. And it’s been nice to see that, that has continued. That’s one factor that we’ve clearly been watching by means of this, is whether or not or not affected person progress charge probably slows down on account of COVID. And thus far, there was one week that it was off by about rather less than, I feel a thousand sufferers, however then it rebounded proper again. So that’s been an fascinating factor to observe as properly.

Scott: Yeah, that’s good information. So I used to be pondering perhaps I’ll transfer on to logistics slightly bit as a result of persons are speaking about that as properly. Are you guys seeing any logistics bottlenecks, gaining access to consumables, something like that? Or do you see any issues on the horizon or what’s it trying like on the bottom?

Kim Rivers: I imply, fortunately, like I stated, our provide chain has been, you understand, working across the clock to make it possible for, you understand, we’re in a position to service our sufferers. We’ve shifted fairly early on. Historically, we’ve held a couple of three week provide of product at our retailer degree. We instantly pivoted to an eight week provide of product simply to make sure that there have been no interruptions, that if there have been any points with something, you understand, downstream and even motion across the state, that we had product accessible at retailer degree. And so I feel that was an essential, essential shift that we made fairly early. And, you understand, we haven’t seen any. I imply, once more, with the way in which that we order and the way in which that now we have demand planning and we fortunately with our companions warehouse, for instance, our vape merchandise, which after all could be one of many issues that’s talked about simply due to the Chinese affect there. We have merchandise that’s truly warehoused for us by our vendor stateside. So that hasn’t been a difficulty for us. And once more, our processing facility has simply been doing a tremendous job, ensuring that our shops are absolutely stocked and that we elevated stock drops. So now we have extra stock drops going to shops to have the ability to deal with the elevated demand that now we have been experiencing. And I might simply say that the one space the place we alongside with I feel the overall inhabitants is having some points round. And once more, we’ve been in a position to meet the demand thus far is simply ensuring that PPE is sourced and accessible for all of our workers. We have put up Plexiglass now. Shields and that’ll be completed up this week. And all of our dispensaries, after all, have social distancing cues. And in among the different. But, you understand, once more, we wish to make it possible for entry to provides, entry to masks, gloves, et cetera, is there for all of our workers.

Scott:    So I’m curious, are you seeing any easing in entry to PPE or is it nonetheless sort of as tight because it was two weeks in the past, three weeks in the past?

Kim Rivers:   So the difficulty proper now’s simply delivery. It’s getting it proper? It’s not essentially having the ability to supply it. It’s simply the timelines in which we’re truly receiving it. So timelines getting pushed again. And it’s actually — it has to do with, I feel, simply, you understand, the carriers being overwhelmed, whether or not it’s FedEx, U.P.S., DHL. And so I feel it’s extra of that than it’s truly having the ability to, you understand, make the acquisition. Whereas, you understand, just a few weeks in the past, it was making the acquisition. Thankfully, we had, like I stated available, a good quantity. And then now it’s only a replenishing of these gadgets. And then there are totally different jurisdictions that now have require that any affected person getting into a retailer or any buyer getting into any retailer, fairly frankly, is required to have a face masks. So now we’re not solely supplying PPE for our of us, but additionally for, to some extent — proper? Our prospects. So that’s been the one space that I might say it’s been slightly bit contact and go.

Scott:   So it sounds such as you’ve sort of pivoted fairly properly. You have a very good stock of the whole lot. Is there something logistics smart you’re watching to see that there could possibly be a pressure or simply to look out or is it sort of throughout the board? You simply should be cognizant of what’s occurring?

Kim Rivers:  Well, I imply, look, I imply, this isn’t — I might love to have the ability to say this has been, you understand, clean crusing. No points. You know, that’s simply not, that’s not actuality. Right? And, you understand, I feel we’re mainly operating the identical or elevated — I imply, plenty of circumstances quantity out of our shops with roughly half the P.O.S. is operating as a result of we’re not going to, you understand — we’re mainly for social distancing. Right? To not have sufferers, you understand, one subsequent to at least one one other or fairly frankly, workers, one subsequent to a different in our shops. And so, you understand, it’s been to get that stability appropriate between on a per retailer foundation. How a lot of these registers must be devoted for pickup? How a lot of these registers must be devoted for stroll in? I’m operating pilot packages for curbside pickup.

Running Mobile hub Pilot packages for drive by means of places. And once more, all the backup home logistics for the will increase that we’ve seen in supply. And they’ve all come on-line sort of in mass and concurrently. And so it’s been, you understand, quite a bit to ask of our workers, fairly frankly, to be fluid and to shift with us. It’s been unbelievable in that we’ve been in a position to get administration on the retailer degree, actual time information with how they’re doing, so to remain inside our parameters. So we clearly wish to make it possible for our prospects have a constant expertise and that, you understand, that they’re nonetheless getting their product throughout the time that we’ve promised. And so ensuring that we’ve acquired good eyes and visibility round how shops are doing. If shops are getting, you understand, backlogged, seeing that actual time in order that we will add extra sources. And we’ve employed plenty of of us. We’ve truly on boarded, I feel, near 200 during the last month.

Scott: Yes, that’s a very good signal.

Kim Rivers:   And, you understand, a few of that’s simply, you understand, guaranteeing that I imply, there’s going to be a proportion of our workforce. Right? That isn’t coming in for a wide range of causes. And a few of them baby care associated, a few of them simply, you understand, underlying well being concern associated, et cetera. And so ensuring, although, that the group is there to help once more, the demand is as essential. And H.R. has finished a unbelievable job — and paired with advertising and marketing. I imply, so it actually has been, like I stated, simply an all palms on deck effort. And to your level. Right? And it’s sort of, you understand, compelled change and perhaps extra quickly than we might have in any other case gone by means of it. But, you understand, in hashish, we are saying the one factor fixed is change, so.

Scott:   Yeah. You’re used to although tight? It’s a part of the refrain.

Kim Rivers:  Yeah, completely. And it’s like I stated, I imply, I’m simply — I’m extremely happy with the group and extremely grateful that we’ve acquired of us who perceive the significance of the enterprise and perceive the significance of the merchandise that we carry to market and stay actually passionate, obsessed with serving the sufferers.

Scott:  So proper in the start of the interview, you talked about that among the allowing in Massachusetts is mainly on maintain. Just curious. So would you say normal allowing, regulatory, that sort is on maintain whereas this complete factor is discovered?

Kim Rivers: So, we truly had a retailer inspection in Florida on Tuesday. So, sure. So I might say that Florida has maintained and, you understand, workers and is sustaining a dedication to work with us to proceed to get approvals by means of. The enhance in automobiles that I discussed, these needed to be accepted by the state. Hires needed to be accepted by the state. So, you understand, we’re persevering with growth plans definitely in Florida and the state has been has been working with us and has actually been nice. And in being, I might say virtually, you understand, responding extra shortly than traditional understanding. Right? That we’re important and that, you understand, they’re working to make it possible for we will service prospects.

Scott:   That’s nice. That’s nice. You know, Kim, I don’t wish to take you for all your time. This has been actually insightful, actually fascinating for all of you listening. So that is some actually stable information that you must begin to find out about Trulieve. I’d suggest you go learn up extra on them. They’re one in every of our favourite corporations. And I feel you’re going to be very joyful with what you discovered. So thanks Kim.

Kim Rivers: Thanks a lot once more for having me. Appreciate it.

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